Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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The next '71 Stocker that comes to mind is another T-37.

It's probably the most famous one of all. It originally wore the name "Super Sleeper", & belonged to Rock Running. I think Rock raced it from '75 thru '82, then sold it to Ken Shawver. Ken raced it for a while, then sold it to somebody, who sold it to Danny Ashley, before the current owner, Dob Turk bought it. Don has made a few races with it. Doesn't have it as quick as he wants it, yet. But he's workin on it.

Results from the old races are hard to find. But, I'll see what I can turn up.

Here's an interview with Rock & Ginny Running, which some may find interesting. They talk about several Pontiac drag cars they owned, from the '60's thru '82. These are covered in the 1st 15 minutes or so. In '83, they switched to factory sponsored Olds cars.

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/clas ... 8_01-08_00

Rock won the '81 Spring Nats with the T-37.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1981

Was R/U @ the '82 Summer Nats.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1982

Looks like Ken Shawver won the Us Nats with it, in 1988 !!!! :)

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1988

Looks like Don 1st raced it in the summer of 2018, at a div 3 race. Barely ran under the 12.00 index, but dipped into the high 11.80's & broke out, in round 1. By the Fall, he was running about 2 tenths under, @ 11.79.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... T#indextop

By the next Fall, he was running 4 tenths quicker, @ 11.396, but he'd moved up to F/SA, which had an 11.85 index. He was .454 under. So, nearly 1/2 sec under is a good safe number. It won't win all the heads-up runs. But, it gives you a chance to win any race entered which does not include a heads-up run, & to win against slower cars in your class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

At last week's Jegs SPORTSnationals, it ran .462 under, good enuff to make the 128 car field. Don't know if that 11.388 is the quickest time the car has ever gone, or not. Don't have a clue what kind of times Rock & Ken were running. I do know that their index was higher, back then. So they didn't need to go as quick, to be competitive.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop



I'll post some pics from when Rock Had it, then when Ken had it, then after Don got it.
1 - Rock E-SA .jpg
2 - Rock '71 455HO .jpg
3  - Ken Shawver  .jpg
4 - Turk Launch .jpg
5 - Turk @ '20 Jegs SN .jpg
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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There has also been at least one famous '71 GTO. I think I probably already mentioned it. It was raced by Mick Leiferman. It was a nat record holder for about 5 years in a row, and was R/U at the US Nats 3 years in a row, from '75 thru '77.

But, I can't think of a single '71 GTO Stocker that has been active, in recent years.

But, there have been several Stockers run as '71 models, in the modern era. I suppose what I consider the "modern era" would be from aprox the mid '90's to present, approximately a 25 year period. Beginning with the 1998 season, race results are available on DRC. That makes tracking cars that have run since that time much easier.

As mentioned, the '70-'73 Birds are so similar that Stock racers have often run one Bird, as more than one year model. I think Scott Burton did that, back in the early 2000's. I've run across several others who have done it. As many who read this will know, one change that can be made is a grill change. I think the '70 &'71 model grills had small squares, '72's had a honeycomb pattern, & the '73's had a larger rectangular shaped pattern. Also, the '71 non-T/A Birds had rectangular front fender vents, just behind the wheel/tire opening. As we'll see, later in the thread, there has been at least one car running as 'a 73 model Formula, while plainly having fenders, with the '71 vents. No performance advantage that I can see, just as the different grills would not make a difference. But, back in the old days, some of the NHRA techs would not allow such a mismatch of model year body parts.

With all this in mind, I'll mention a few Birds that have run as '71 models, at some point. The 1st one, I've already mentioned. It belonged to Scott Burton. According to the records, it appears to me that he ran it as a '71, '72, & '73 model. Before Brad started racing full time, I assume that Scott had only one Bird set up as a Stocker. If this is correct, I assume he just claimed the correct year model body for whatever engine he was running, & changed grills to match. Can't verify, since I don't have any pics of the car he was running back then. Only have pics of one which ran B/SA, as a 1970 model. Assuming it was still the same body he'd been racing for years. Can't prove it. If anybody knows different, please post your info. For all I know, he could have sold his old car & bought or built another for B/SA. Could have let Brad drive his old car & bought or built one as the B/SA car. Maybe someday I'll learn all the details. If I do, I'll post that info.

Anyhow, Scott did good with the Bird he raced as a '71 model. I'll look up some race results & post just the highlights. Obviously, a '71 Formy can legally run a 350 2-barrel, a 400 with #96 heads, a 455 with #66 D-Port heads , or a 455HO with the #197 round port heads, with or w/o Ram Air. I'm assuming that Scott ran it with a 455HO engine.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

Now I'll look up results to post, for Scott's '71 Bird.

OK, before 2002, he's listed with a '73 Bird. For '02 & '03 he's listed with a '72 Bird. But, in '04 he's listed with a '71 Bird. Here it is at #59, at the '04 US Nats. Ran a 10.742, which I'm pretty sure would have made it, by far, the quickest '71 Bird in the country, at that time. That was 1.108 under the D/SA index.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

He got it running quite well that year, as a '71. At the Vegas Nats, he was #3 @ 1.312 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

OK, at the '06 Mile-High Nats, Scott was #3 in a '71 Bird & Brad was #10, in a '72 Bird. Assume Scott was still driving the same Bird he'd had for years.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

Scott got R/U at the race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

In '07,'08, & '09 Scott & Brad qualified in the top 4, at the Mile-High Nats. Scott took his '71 to Indy in '08 & qualified #19, with a 10.708. Don't know his quickest time ever with it, as a '71. Assuming it was the quickest ever. Can't think of one since, that has gone quicker.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

At the '09 Vegas Nats he was #8 & won the D/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

Well, I could probably find some more results to post, for Scott's '71. But ya'll get the picture. As far as I know, it was the quickest '71 Stock class Bird, ever, until this day. :)

Here are pics of others I'll mention. The 1st 2 pics are of the same car, with different owners. The last 2 pics are of the Bird driven by Ryan Schloe, son of long time Pontiac racer John Schloe. He raced it for a while with a #66 head D-port engine. Lots of guys say those heads don't flow very good. It ran good enuff to get the car under the index. They later switched over to a more competitive '73 455 with 4X D-ports, I think. I'll look up the results & report what I find.
1 - '71 Formy  .jpg
2 - Dan Johnson..jpg
3 - Troy Vogel '71 .jpg
4 - Ryan - Pits .jpg
5 - Ryan Schloe.JPG

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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OK, let's see what we can find for the '71 in the 1st pic I posted.

Here's the history of the car.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showpo ... ostcount=7

Harry Axemaker won Stock at the 1987 Winter Nats. :)

https://www.wikiwand.com/en/1987_NHRA_Winternationals

"...The Stock final matched Norm Rollings (of Pomona, in a Corvette (his first national event) lost to Harry Axemaker, in a G/SA 1971 Firebird; it would be his first class win in eighteen years of trying..."

Harry also won the Northstar Nats with the car, in 1988 ! :) Don't know what else he won. Results from those years are scare, unless you have access to all the NHRA National Dragster papers.

http://www.nhra.net/50th/results.asp?mYear=1988

Hey, ya'll like videos ? Here's a couple on the subject.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHcB6OkQhYo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9Mhw8AOaU4

The car shows up on DRC, from 2008 thru 2016. In the earlier years David Reuland is the driver. In the later years, Sam Reuland is the driver. It was not a quick car. But it would run under it's index. They raced at the BIR nat event most every year. In 2012, David ran an 11.294, which was .556 under it's F/SA index.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

Assuming they ran some smaller races. Not gonna look them up, now.


1 - Sam Reuland '71 Bird .jpg
2 - Sam Reuland .jpg
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OK, now for more on the '71 that Ryan Schloe raced.

As mentioned, his Dad, John Schloe is a long time Pontiac racer. Assume he & Ryan put the '71 together for Ryan to race in Stock. I think they started out with the D-port 455, which would have the #66 heads, I've read that those heads don't flow very good. BUT, with everything that John knew about Stock racing with a Pontiac, they got Ryan's Bird turning some respectable numbers. I think that 1st 455 was sort of low budget.

I 1st see the car listed on DRC in Nov 2004, at Vegas, running .743 under, in F/SA. Hey, that ain't bad, at all.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=88538

By the Pomona Finals of 2005, he was .929 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

After looking thru several years of DRC records, it looks like Rryan ran the car as a '71, in Stock, thru the 2008 season. It usually qualified at somewhere between .600 & .800 under it's index. Probably averaged about .700 under, or slightly quicker. Then he switched to SS for several years. Then he switched back to Stock, but ran it as a '73 model. The '73 with 455 D-port engine is a much more competitive combo, which I'll talk more about later. Notice the #2 & #3 qualifiers on this Q-list, from earlier this year. That says a lot, to me.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

PS: While doing some searching for a '72 GTO Stocker, I discovered another '71 Bird Stocker. It ran just as good, if not a little better than Ryan's '71. It was raced by Troy Vogel. It ran an 11.33 at Brainerd, in '04, which was nearly a sec under the G/SA index, at the time.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=3801

I actually posted a pic of it a few posts back. It's the blue one.

This link will take you to 3 pics of it.

https://www.autoimagery.com/search?I_DS ... =usrSearch

1 - 11.61 .jpg
2 - Ryan Air .JPG
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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OK, lets talk about '72 model Pontiac powered Stockers.

There are quite a few of these that have been active in the modern era. Let's begin with A-bodies. The only modern era '72 GTO Stocker that I'm aware of was raced by Todd Hoven, for a while. I have one listed with another owner, Troy Vogel. But, from the pics, it appears to be same car. I assume he bought it from Todd.

Todd did quite well with it & considers it a good competitive combo for a Pontiac powered Stocker. By the way, this car ran the 455 D-port engine, NOT the 455HO round port engine. The low compression 7M5 D-port heads are not exactly considered Hi Performance factory heads. But, Todd got this car running more than a sec under it's NHRA index. Don't know if he ever got it into the 10's or not. But I did find an 11.022. That's pretty close.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

As most here know, the '71 & '72 GTO's look very similar. The easy way for me to tell the difference is that the '72 has verticle fender vents, or what some call "air extractors", in the front fenders, just behind the wheel openings.

OK, the 1st time I see Todd on DRC, with the '72 GTO, is in 2003, at the 1st div 1 points race. It ran 11.97, & was #70 on the Q-list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

By the last div 7 race it ran 11.74.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

At the '04 Englishtown Super Nats, he ran an 11.67, which was .930 under, & good enuff for #51 position.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

At the '04 US Nats, he was #91, with an 11.524, which was 1.076 under !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

Made it to the semi of this div 1 race. Got treed.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

Won Stock at this '05 div 1-6 race, at Englishtown ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

At the '05 Toyo Nats, he was #6, with an 11.499, which was 1.101 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

At the '08 US Nats, he was #7 @ 1.223 under, & got the G/SA class win ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

I suppose Todd's biggest win ever, was his 1st nat event win, at the 2009 Carolina Nats. :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

He had qualified #23, with an 11.414, which was 1.036 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

When I have time, I'll look thru the other years & post anything I find that seems important.
1 - Smoke @ Lebanon Valley .jpg
2 - '09 ZMax Win  .jpg
3 - '72 GTO Todd Hoven  .jpg
4 - Atco Win  .jpg
5 - Troy Vogel  .jpg
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The next '72 we'll look at is a 455HO powered Lemans.

It was raced by Larry Maxwell for quite a few years. Last I heard, Stephanie Pike was driving it.

It ran strong when Larry had it.

How about this 1.026 under, 10.824, which was good enuff for #5, at the 2014 Pomona Finals.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=294282

By the end of the 2017 season, Stephanie Pike was driving the car, & Larry was driving his '68 Bird SS car. She was #85 on this list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 7#indextop

She was #21 at this 2018 div 6 race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... indextop21
1 - Larry  Smoke .jpg
2  - Larry Maxwell F-SA.JPG
3  - '72 Lemans 455HO.JPG
4 - Larry Maxwell  '72 455HO.JPG
5 - Stephanie Pike F-SA .jpg

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Hey, I even have pics of this car with the name Jack Kostuk on the right side window. One shows the div 6 perm # written in shoe polish. It's more permanent in the next pic. Shows the same perm number as Stephanie Pike. So, I don't know what Jack's connection to the car is. Owner maybe ?

In lookin back at the pics I have for the Larry Maxwell '72 Lemans, I noticed a pic of a '72 Lemans wagon. Never have seen it on any of the DRC lists I looked at.

But, I think I got it figured out.

The background shows that the pic was taken in CO, at the "Home of the Mile-High Nationals". So, that means I should find the car listed either at the nat event, or a div 5 race held there.

But, there is no '72 Pontiac wagon listed. I did however find a Larry Maxwell driven '72 Firebird, at the 2006 Mile-High Nats. Funny thing is tho, it was running in the I/SA class. His '72 Bird was usually shown in either E/SA or F/SA, IIRC.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

Also found it on a list from a div 5 race, in Kansas.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

So, by simple reasoning, the Firebird part of the listing is wrong. But the rest of it is correct. It was actually the '72 Lemans wagon, running in I/SA. IIRC, that's one of the classes that Gary & Charlene Wood ran with their "Tons-a-Fun" '72 wagons.
1 - Jack Kostuk .jpg
2 - 6026 Jack K. .jpg
Larry Maxwell Wagon  .jpg
I-$A Record Holder  .jpg
5  - Sports Class Win   .jpg

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There have been quite a few '72 Bird Stockers, thru the years.

I've mentioned the most famous. It's driven by Brad Burton. It would take me quite a while to list all Brad's race wins & top qualifying positions. I may come back to this post sometime, & post links to a few of the biggies.

He's won several national events, division championships, & at least 2 national Stock championships.

https://www.knfilters.com/blog/burton-r ... -joins-kn/

"...we began building my car in 2004..."

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=219127

https://www.facebook.com/pg/burtondragracing/about/

His 1st nat event win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

'10 Winter Nats win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

'10 Mile-High Nats win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

US Nats R/U.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

'12 Winter Nats win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

https://www.knfilters.com/blog/kn-s-bra ... s-victory/

Besides race results, I also have some videos to link.

https://www.nhra.com/news/2020/phoenix-stock

The father & son Burton team have won lots of Stock races, with Pontiac power. I think Brad has always claimed a '72 model Bird, with a 455HO engine. As I think I mentioned, Scott ran his Bird as a '71, '72, & '73, before going to just a '70 B/SA car, for the last several years he raced.
1 - Brad .jpg
2 - Brad in the Lanes.jpg
3 - Brad's 455HO .jpg
4 - Waiting .jpg
5 - Brad Launching  .jpg
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Since Brad has had so many race accomplishments with this '72 Formy, I'll reserve this post to add to the list, when I have time.

This year, nat event #9.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop
6 - Giddy Up.jpg
7 - Brad Burton.jpg
8 - Higher .jpg
9 - A Win .jpg
10 - Another Win .jpg
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Another '72 Bird that has done a lot of racing & has won a few, was raced for several years by Lee Bannister. Lee won 2 nat events in '99, the Gator Nats & the Fall Nats, in Texas. I'll post links to those & other races he was in. The Bird was not real quick, but Lee did good with it.

'99 Gators win. :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

Fall Nats win. :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

Lee in a Pavement Pounders Shootout event.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-12 ... 1-formula/

One thing I noticed about it was that it had a Formy hood, but had T/A fenders. But, it passed NHRA tech like that.

Billy Foder now races the car. He switched over to a T/A hood. But he didn't add the T/A wheel well flares. It also passes tech that way. Tech is not as strict on body parts as they once were.

Here are more pics of it when Lee raced it.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/se ... =usrSearch
1  - '72 Bird Lee Bannister .jpg
2 - Lee Bannister Smoke .jpg
3 - Ennis TX Nat Win '99 .jpg
4 - Billy Foder .jpg
5  - Billy Foder '20 SPORTS nats .jpg
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Can't leave '72 Bird Stockers without talking about the one that Larry Maxwell raced. Don't have a clue when he actually started racing his '72 Bird. Since the DRC records start with 1998 races, that's where I'll begin.

At the 1998 Winter Nats, he qualified #18, with an .888 under, 11.112.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

He also got the E/SA class win.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

As a side note, Barbara Maxwell was also on the Q-list at that race, with a '73 Bird. I assume she was Larry Maxwell's wife, at the time, or kin to him in some way. In later years, she is shown as the driver of the '72 Bird, at some races. So, I assume that she & Larry took turns driving the '72 Bird.

They raced this car for quite a while. I'll look thru the DRC files & see what else I can find.

****As on many of these posts, when I find more info I think needs to be added, & have time, I'll edit & add it. An example is Brad Burton. There is a LOT more good info I'll add about his racing. So, when I first make these posts, most of them do not contain all the pertinent info that will eventually be added. For those who raced the same car for many years & did really well with it, there are lots of files to comb thru. I'm willing to do it, but not all at one sitting. So, some of the posts in this thread will be on-going projects, that will expand as I find & add more info.****

So far, I have only 1 pic of Larry's '72 Formy. But, I'll post links to some more, on the Auto Imagery site. They'll work until the site shuts down or does what photo bucket did.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... uo-&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... uo-&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... uo-&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... uo-&GI_ID=

While talkin about '72 Birds, I'll mention this one again. Gary Wood built & raced quite a few Pontiac Stockers, including the Tons-a-Fun '72 wagons. He also won a nat event with a '72 Formy.
Larry Maxwell  .jpg
Gary Wood '72 Bird Summers Wally .png
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Probably should have included this car earlier in the '72 section.

It's The Axemaker & Reuland '72 GTO. Don't know how much info I can find on it. We'll see.

I have 3 pics. Looks like 2 different paint jobs. But I assume it's the same car. Ran E/SA for a while. That would have had the 455HO engine. It was marked H/SA in the other 2 pics. I assume that would have run the 455 D-port engine.

OK, in lookin up some race results, I discovered the mystery of the different paint jobs & different classes. Those were actually 2 different cars. In '98 & '99 for sure, Dennis Axemaker was driving the E/SA car & David Reuland was driving the G/SA car, since they are listed on the same Q-list. David's car is listed as a '72 GTO. Dennis' car is listed as a '72 Lemans. But, in '72, the GTO was just an option pkg on the Lemans series. The cars weren't quick, but ran good enuff to run under their index, therefore able to win races. Sam Reuland would also drive the Axemaker & Reuland Stockers, later on.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=55825

Some of the pics are dated in 2015, and shown to be at the BIR track. The DRC Stock Q-list for the Brainerd nat event that year shows Sam Reuland to be driving a '71 Bird. But, it's listed in H/SA. The Axemaker & Reuland Bird ran several classes higher. So, the DRC listing appears to be incorrect. The car Sam was driving was probably the '72 GTO, NOT the '71 Bird.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

For example: It ran E/SA in '2014 & F/SA in 2016, & was listed as a '72 both years. So, unless they just had the GTO out at BIR for a photo shoot, in 2015, it was entered in the race, rather than the Bird. If that is the case, I don't know why they entered it that year, then apparently went back to the Bird. But then there is LOTS of stuff I don't know. :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

Have some videos of it. I'll look 'em up & post the links.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESrMmXk5ZnM&t=4s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoYiMpX ... Dg&index=2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHRQ0dmfUM4&t=3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enCh17xQ7-M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GVk8TE61vI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpeGlAu ... Dg&index=5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRe_Ru6CvSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyWAKr8_nbM

I almost hesitate to post links to the Auto Imagery pics. The reason is because if their site ever goes down or they decide to limit access, it will result in exactly the same thing that happened when photo bucket quit supporting all the car pics that were posted on so many car forums. The result was that many of those threads do not make much sense, without the pics that are referred to.

BUT, Auto Imagery has more drag car pics than anybody else. So, I'll go ahead & post links to pics of this & other cars mentioned in this thread.

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

Post by Pdrag »

Well, I may have missed some other good '72 model Stockers, but I'll move on to the '73 year models.

To me,the '73 Pontiac A-body was a BIG disappointment. I thought they were really ugly.(I mean no offense to any reading this who love the '73 model A-bodies !)

I suppose the big performance news for '73 was the SD455 engine. It was planned that both Birds & GTO's would have the SD455 as an option. One car mag was so enthusiastic about this engine that they named the SD455 powered GTO their "Car of the Year". But, as Pontiac guys know, the SD455 was not available in a GTO.

However, for whatever reason, NHRA will allow the SD455 engine in A-bodies & GP's also.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineCar ... NGINE=2080

The most famous '73 GTO Stocker that I'm aware of was raced by Mick Leiferman. I don't know of a single '73 GTO or Lemans that has been raced as a Stocker, in the modern era.

But, there have been quite a few '73 Bird Stockers, in this century. The SD455 heads are much too rare & expensive for most guys to use in a race car. Therefore, the '73 Bird Stocker guys use the 455 D-port engine, with the big chamber 4X heads. Don't know how this happened, but NHRA rates this 455 at only 306hp, in a '73 Bird. That makes it very competitive. There have been several of these cars run more than a sec under their index.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

I've already mentioned that Scott Burton ran his 2nd gen bird as a '70, '71, '72, & '73 Bird. So, he obviously tried several different engines. I think I also read that Larry Maxwell ran his Bird as a '73, some.

But, possibly the most successful '73 Bird of this modern era is the one raced by Michael Brand. It is said to be the same Bird that Larry Maxwell raced for years, mostly as a '72. Word has it that Scott Burton is responsible for talking Michael into racing a Pontiac. Probably had a hand in obtaining the car from Larry. I think I mentioned that Michael showed up on some of the Q-lists as driver of Scott's Bird.

Anyhow, I'll look thru the race records & see what I can find about Michael's results with his car, as a '73.

Right now, the 1st time I can find him in his '73 is at the div 5-3 race, in CO. He was #10 & made it to the semi-final round, where he left almost a light too soon. They got the year model of his Bird wrong, but got the class correct.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 1#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 1#indextop

At the 2011 Mile-High Nats. At the time, he lived in CO. So I assume this was his home track. At this race, he was #2 qualifier & won his F/SA class. Hey, that ain't a bad showing !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 1#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 1#indextop

He began 2012 strong, at this div 7-1 race, qualifying #10 & makin it down to 3 cars, losing a close one to a fellow Pontiac racer.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

At the div 7-2 race he was #5 & was R/U to Scott Burton, who ran a 1.371 on a 10.37 dial.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

At the Vegas Summit Nats, he was #2 & won the F/SA class. R/U in F/SA was a '72 Lemans, driven by Larry Peterson. Don't know if that was actually Larry Maxwell's car, or not. I found both Larrys on the same Q-list, in 2016. Also found Larry Peterson on a 2008 list. On both lists, he was driving a Chevelle So, I assume Larry M loaned him the Lemas for that one race, in 2012.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

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https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

Michael also made down to 5 cars, where he was treed by his mentor, Scott Burton.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

At the 2012 Mile-High Nats, Michael qualified #9, cut a perfect .000 light in round 1, & got his 1st nat event win ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

F/SA win @ '12 Vegas SN.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

He also qualified in the top ten at some other races. Seems to have had a very good year in 2012.

Don't know how long after Michael got his Bird before he painted it Baby Blue. Definitely made it unique. I can't think of another Baby Blue Bird Stocker, ever. But, there may have been some.
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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More Michael Brand stuff.

On 3/3/13, he won the div 7-2 Lucas Oil Series race ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

6/16/13, at the div 5-3 race, he was #2 & won the race ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

At the '13 Mile-High Nats, he was #4 & got a semi-final round finish.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

At Indy, he was #43 & won G/SA with a final round holeshot.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

Also got a big holeshot win in C-2, over a 10 sec car.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

9/29/13 - div 7-6 race - got 3rd place, when his semi-final opponent had a perfect pass--a .000 light & dead on his dial-in.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

At the Vegas SN, he was #6, won G/SA, AND won the race ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

2/23/14 - AZ Nats - #3 - lost E-4 to another perfect .000 light.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

3/3/14 - div 7-1 - #8 - R/U

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

He moved to Alabama in the Spring of 2014, & began racing in the Southeast.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/for ... ostcount=1

At the Southern Nats he won F/SA, but had to settle for 3rd place in elims.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

Cut a great light, but went a tick too quick & had to settle for another 3rd place finish, at the Thunder Valley Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

Indy '14 - Qualified in the 10.80's, but had to settle for R/U in F/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

Won class @ the '14 Carolina Nats.

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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OK, I see this is gonna take another post.

Michael won more than I thought. He had great teachers, in the Burtons, & he was obviously a great student.

10/15/17 - div 2-6 - Lindsey was driving & had to settle for R/U, in a very close final round.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

Believe it or not, for 2019, Michael replaced the D-port 455 with an SD455 ! I can't really see how anybody could use those rare heads on a race car. But, maybe he has really wanted an SD455, ever since he 1st heard about 'em.

I can remember back when I wanted a set of RAIV heads for my '69 GTO bracket car. Finally got a set, and after running them for a while discovered that, for my purposes, they were no better than the D-port heads I'd been using. The headers were just harder to put on.

Anyhow, here's a couple of short videos of the car, after it got the SD455. I think Michael's wife Lindsey, was driving. She has her own 3rd gen Bird drag car, but occasionally drives Michael's Bird, in competition.

http://forums.maxperformanceinc.com/for ... tcount=180

At the 2019 "Baby Gators", Michael was #81, with a 10.843. With the engine change, had to move up a few classes. Ran D/SA at this race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

At the 2019 Gators, Lindsey qualified #34 in the car, with a 10.737.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

At the Southern Nats, he was #21, with a 10.847.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

At the Thunder Nats, he was #16 @ 10.774, & was R/U in D/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

At this years Gator Nats, Michael ran a 10.699, good enuff for #22.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

6/6/20 - div 2-4 - #5 with a 10.802

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

6/26/20 - div 2-5 - #5 with a 6.682, in the 1/8 mile race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

With the SD455 engine, they had to switch to the shaker hood, since that's how the SD455 Formula cars came. John Clegg bought one brand new. Took it to the US Nats that year & won his Stock class ! Later made a Super Stocker out of it. Was restored a couple of years back & ran in the 9's at Indy.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/live/?v= ... _permalink

I suppose the Herslow & Morlock T/A was the most famous SD455 Stocker ever. Made the cover of SS & DI.

BUT, I suppose Michael can say he has the quickest SD455 powered Stocker ever raced. And I think I can say he has the ONLY '73 SD455 powered Stocker in the country. Wonder how long he'll continue to race those high dollar heads ?
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