Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Another '74 bird which was real quick was raced by Lindy Lindholm. He did real good with it, until it was stolen last year. It ran the same 4x head 400 that the Mulry & Aceves car ran. Many, if not most, of these drag cars are passed along to different owners. I don't know the history of this car, before Lindy ran it.

It qualified well at lots of races.

Let's start with a #1 @ the 2017 Winter Nats. Was the only car to qualify a sec under. Hey, I understand sandbaggin. But, it looks good to be #1 on the list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 7#indextop

At the '15 Pomona Finals, he was 1.014 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

#5 @ the '16 Winter Nats - 1.020 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

Won class at this & many other races.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

#4 & I/SA class winner @ the '16 Vegas Denso Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

Highest qualified Pontiac & class winner @ Toyota Nats.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... T#indextop

It was still running more than .900 under, last Sept. I suppose that if it hadn't been stolen, Lindy would still be racing it.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop
1 - Lindy Smoke .jpg
2 - Lindy @ Vegas .jpg
3 - Lindy Lindholm .jpg
4 - Lindy '74 J-SA .JPG
5 - J-SA .JPG

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Tho not as quick against their index, there are still at least 3 active '74 Bird Stockers, that I know of. And I may as well include Gary Riley's '74 wagon, & Don Elgin's '74 Grand Am, since they also run the 4x head 400 engine.

I'm reminded of the recent final round at the Mile-High Nats. It pitted Dwaine Davis in his '74 Formula, against Gary Riley in his '74 Lemans wagon. Gary won.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

Then there is the Burton's "Grimace" '74 Formy, which recently made it's debut.

And, there is the '74 T/A which is sponsored by John Clegg's Mission Garage, & is said to have been built by Forest Pierdolla. I think this T/A still runs an SD455 engine. Not sure.

I suppose a '74 Bird could run a 400, a D-port 455, or if you don't mind running the high dollar SD heads, you could run the SD455.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

That D-port 455 looks good, at the current 306hp factor. That engine has proven very competitive in several '73 Birds. No reason it wouldn't do just as well in a '74 model. Don't really know if the D-port 455 would be more competitive at 306hp, than the 400 @ 275hp.

I do know that Michael Brand switched from the D-port 455 to the SD455, in his '73 Bird. It doesn't seem to be running as far under it's index, now. So, unless there is quite a bit of yet-to-be-found power in that SD engine, it appears that the D-port engine MAY be more competitive, at the current hp factors. Maybe we'll get to see if Michael can get a lower ET from his SD combo this year. Because of the rarity & price of those SD heads, I'd say there is not much experimenting that could be done. But, because of the SD heads AND the fact that NHRA allows ANY cam duration & valve spring pressures, that engine MAY have the potential to run a lot quicker.

But, with the 4X D-port heads, a guy should be able to search for more power, from the heads. Because of the big chambers, many of those 455 4X heads have been junked. Those that remain are not in high demand. So, there should be some available for a decent price.

Because of the legality of adding & removing weight, in order to change classes, I don't always know which engine all the Pontiacs are running. These guys have to be REAL careful nowadays to NOT run too quick, so as to call attention to their engine/car combo. If they consistently run more than a sec under their class index, they are in jeopardy of having NHRA increase their hp factor. At some races, if they run 1.20 under, that combo gets an automatic hp increase. The rules are a bit more complex than that. But, the fact is that lots of cars are not run as quick as they are capable of running, in order to avoid those NHRA hp factor increases. The racers call it a "hit", when NHRA increases their hp factor.

Looked up some Q-list numbers for Dwaine Davis & the Mission Garage '74 Bird. The times are usually a half sec under, or better. Both cars were at this div 4 race. Dwaine was .827 under, & Hunter was .755 under. Won't win all the heads-up races, but can win all other rounds.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

Jeremy Romero ran .929 under, in "Grimace". I assume that might win a few heads-up runs. Also read that the car is capable of running more than a sec under, if needed.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

Don Elgin has been racing his '74 GA for quite a while. I'll look up some of his race stats to post.

He was .916 under, at this '08 nat event.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

So, I'll have to say that a '74 Pontiac is a still a decent model Stocker to run, at the current NHRA hp factors.
1 - Dwaine Davis '74 .jpg
2 - All-Pontiac Final .jpg
3 - '74 Grimace .jpg
4  - '74 SD455  .jpg
5 - Don Elgin .jpg

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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After doing some research, I must say more about Don Elgin's GA.

I've seen his name on Q-lists, in recent years. But, I suppose that because the times he ran were not very impressive, I just never thought to look for the car in the older records, until today. I am very thankful for all the race records that are available on DRC !

The car is a '74 Grand Am. The owner/driver name is Don Elgin. He raced in most of the div 6 races, & the nat event held up there every year, since at least 1998.

They show up on DRC, in 1998. The class was N/SA. The index was 13.30, back then. He ran 12.20's at lots of races. Obviously, all those 12.20's times showed up as being more than a sec under the index.

I don't have a clue what the best ever ET was. But, so far, I did find this 12.132, which was 1.168 under, & good enuff for #2 position on that list.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

7/30/99 - Northwest Nats - #2 - 1.088 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

7/28/00 - NW Nats - #2 - 1.095 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

7/27/01 - NW Nats - #8 - 1.001 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 1#indextop

10/21/05 - Vegas Nats - .955 under & won the N/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

When NHRA reduced the N/SA index from 13.30 down to 13.00, Don instantly lost .30, for qualifying. This '15 Q-list is a perfect example. The 12.155 would have been more than a sec under, which would have qualified near the top of most lists. But, with the 13.30 index, his time was only .845 under.

7/18/15 - div 6-4 - #18 - 12.155 - index 13.00 - .845 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

It appears that he just sorta backed off, at most races & ran 12.40's - 12.60's. I suppose there are not too many N/SA entries in most of the races he runs, therefore heads-up performance is not a big issue. At last years NW Nats, he actually qualified slightly above Brad Burton. Both cars were the only cars in their class.

8/2/19 - NW Nats - #25 - 12.401 - .599 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

The 1st time I ever saw Don on a Q-list was probably in around 2014 or maybe even 2015. So, his index was already 13.00. That's why his times did not impress me that much. Unless I missed something, I think I saw his name on the NW Nats Q-list every year except for one, from 1998 thru 2019. That's a pretty good attendance record. Anybody know when he 1st began racing the GA ?

Many here are by now very familiar with Don's GA. It is quite unique, & has LOTS of racing decals on it. Hey, I use to jokingly say that "Every decal adds at least 1 horsepower". Nowadays, some racers seem to want their race car to look more like a street or show car, & refuse to put any decals on 'em. As I've probably said here, I like for a race car to look like one. If I wanna see a show car, I can go to a local car show. Opinions differ.
1 - NW Nats .jpg
2 - Pacific Raceway .jpg
3 - Go .jpg
4 - Woodburn .jpg
5 - Cruising .jpg
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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OK, that brings us up to 1975 models.

Right now, I can only think of 1 serious '75 Pontiac Stocker, that has been active in recent years.

It is raced out of div 6, up in the great Northwest, & is driven by Ryan Warter. He has been in many of the same races as Don Elgin & his '74 GA, featured in the previous post.

Ryan recently won the 2018 Northwest Nats, which was his 1st nat event win. It was an All-Pontiac final, against Randi Lyn Shipp, in her '67 Bird. Needless to say, All-Pontiac national event final rounds are some of my very favorite things ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... T#indextop

He was .940 under at this '19 div 6 race, which was good enuff for #6.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

But, like most others, he didn't start out running .940 under & winning nat events. A quick check found him back in '08, when the car was barely able to run under it's index. I'll check closer & try to find the very earliest list I can find the car on. This is the '08 NW Nats. He was only .134 under. But hey, at least he WAS under. There have probably been lots of Stock guys who couldn't run under, the 1st time out.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

I find it very interesting to see how much a guy can improve his ET, over time. Sometimes he just has to come up with more money to invest in it. But sometimes he gets some help from a fellow racer with more experience. I like those Pontiac success stories.

By 2014, he was running more than .700 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

May '16 - div 6 Nat Open doubleheader - Won 1st race - Made semi-final in 2nd race !

http://classracer.com/classforum/showthread.php?t=62151

6/5/16 - div 6-3 - #1 - 1.066 under !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

8/7/16 - NW Nats - Stock R/U, in another nat event All-Pontiac final

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

9/17/16 - Stock Challenge - Winner, in another All-Pontiac final, against Brad Burton, again.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

8/6/17 - NW Nats - Had to settle for 3rd place that year. But, he had a pretty good 3-year run, at the NW Nats !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

5/4/19 - div 6-1 - #2 - 1.129 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop


1 - Ryan Warter J-SA.jpg
2 - R Warter .jpg
3  - Ryan Warter  .jpg
4  - Ryan Warter  .jpg
5 - Ryan Wins the NW Nats  .jpg

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Now for 1976 models.

Again, I can only think of one '76 model Pontiac Stocker, that has been active in recent years. It is a base model Bird, running a 6X head 400. The NHRA hp factor is 275hp. It can run an 800cfm Q-jet. The max cam lift is .421 for the intake lobe & .425 for the exhaust lobe. No limit on cam duration or valve spring pressure. Most Stock racers agree that the no-limit part of the cam/valve spring rule is one of the main reasons why Stockers today can go so much quicker than they did back in the old days. It also raised the cost of building & racing a really quick Stocker. IIRC, that cam/valve spring rule went into affect in 1986.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineCar ... NGINE=2106

Also, NHRA approved forged rods & pistons are legal. So, Stocker engines can safely go as many rpm as the heads will allow. Some of the quickest Pontiac 400 Stocker engines turn near 8000 rpm, or slightly more ! :shock:

When I first knew about this '76 Stocker, it had just won it's class at the 2014 US Nats. Some years, most Stockers have to run nearly .900 under their index, just to qualify for the 128 car Indy field, much less win their class. So, in most cases, an Indy class win is considered a pretty big deal.

This '76 Bird was owned & raced by Mike Morgan. Not long after the '14 Indy class win, he sold the car.

http://classracer.com/classforum/showth ... post444091

Mike had raced the car for several years, prior to 2014. So, I'll post some DRC results for it, from the earliest I can find it.

OK, so far, the earliest list I can find his '76 Bird on is the 2nd div 3 race of 2004. Before that, he is listed as driving a '78 Bird. Assume those were 2 different cars. But, he could have swapped out the body parts to convert his '78 over to a '76 model. Don't know, yet.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

9/3/04 - US Nats - #54 - 1.115 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/se ... =usrSearch

8/31/07 US Nats - #21 - 1.110 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 7#indextop

9/2/11 - US Nats - #24 - 1.032 under & K/SA class winner !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 1#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 1#indextop

8/30/13 - US Nats - K/SA R/U

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

8/30/14 - US Nats - K/SA Winner ! Ran 11.584 on a 12.65 index, which is 1.066 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

Here are several pics of the car, from 2013 & '14, including '14 Indy class win pics.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/se ... =usrSearch

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/se ... =usrSearch
1 - Older Pic .jpg
2 - Mike Morgan .jpg
3 - Boogy .jpg
4 - Gotta Catch Me .jpg
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Kevin Love bought the '76 bird from Mike Morgan, after the '14 US Nats.

10/19/14 - div 3 NO - #4 - 1.105 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=293473

6/27/15 - div 6-3 - #1 - .962 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=301065

8/20/15 - Lucas Oil Nats - K/SA Winner

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

10/11/15 - div 3 NO - #11 - 1.113 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=306741

Didn't show up much on DRC for a few years. But it reappeared last Oct.

10/7/19 - div 5 NO - #10 - .932 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

I found out why he doesn't race it much. He is busy with his business, and he lives in Canada. His closest track is BIR, which is 350 miles from him. The track in Iowa is 800 miles. Gonna try to get some better pics from him. If I do, I'll post 'em.

Here are some pics of the car after Kevin had made a few changes to it's appearance.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/se ... =usrSearch
1 - '76 K-SA .jpg
2 - '76  400 Powered .jpg
3 - Lucas Oil Nats .jpg
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Well, that brings us to 1977 models. In this section, I'll also have to include '78 model Birds. The reason is because the engines are almost exactly identical. But the NHRA rules allow a cam with more lift, for the '78 W72 engines. And, since NHRA will sometimes add horsepower to a certain year/body/engine combo, lots of guys have switched back & forth from claiming a '77, then a '78, depending on which combo would be more competitive, at the time.

But, I'll leave the Birds for last. For now, we'll begin to look at the '77 model Stockers that were NOT Birds. We'll start with the '77 Lemans. One main reason that this is a very competitive car is because, at the time of this post, the NHRA hp factor for the base 400 engine is only 260hp. So many have run quick with this engine in a Bird that NHRA has jacked the hp factor up to 283hp. :shock: So, the Lemans has a 23hp advantage over the Birds. The Bird will make up some of the difference with better aerodynamics. But not enuff to make up for the 23hp difference.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

We'll look at 2 different '77 Lemans Stockers that have run strong this century. The 1st one was raced by long time, well known Pontiac racer Bob Michael. I assume he built the car himself. But I don't know that for sure. The earliest I can spot the car on DRC, right now, is in July of 2012, at the 4th div 3 Lucas Oil Series race.

7/21/12 - div 3-4 - #14 - .848 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

8/30/12 - US Nats - #22 - 1.025 under & was R/U in class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

8/30/13 - US Nats - #37 - .964 under & Won class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

7/19/14 - div 3-4 - #5 - .972 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

More later.
1 - Bob Michael  '77 Lemans .JPG
2 - Class Winner .JPG
3 - Bob Michael '14 US Nats .JPG
4 - '77 Lemans  B. Michael .jpg
5 - The End .jpg

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Dave Robeiro bought the '77 Lemans from Bob Michael.

As of now, the 1st race Dave was in with the car looks to have been the div 2 race at zMax.

4/15/16 - div 2-4 - #9 - .954 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

He made it to round 5, with only 5 cars left. There, he tripped the red light, but made a full pass. He turned a 12.149. So, he was more than a sec under his 13.15 index.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

4/30/16 - div 1-1 - #35 - .717 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

He was also in the Dutch Classic race that year.

10/9/16 - Dutch Classic - #71 - .844 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

8/19/17 - div 1-6 - #37 - .831 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 7#indextop

At this '17 div 2 race, he is listed as driving a '77 Bird. But it's O/SA class, which is the Lemans. Didn't appear to have raced the car much in '17. His son Dean, did show up at a few div 1 races, driving Dave's '77 Formy. Maybe Dave was helping Dean at those races. Don't know.

10/28/17 div 2-7 - #27 - .882 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 7#indextop

4/21/18 - div 1-1 - #10 - 1.044 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

8/18/18 - div 1-6 - #6 - .939 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

10/20/18 - div 2-6 - #51 - .803 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

10/5/19 - div 1-7 - #53 - .776 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop
1 - O-SA .jpg
2 - Dave @ '17 Div 2 Race .jpg
3 - 1033 O-SA .jpg
4 - Ribeiro Racing .jpg
5 - Dave Rollin .jpg

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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OK, the next '77 I'll mention belonged to Kyle Riley. After racing it for a while IIRC, it was wrecked. Anyhow, he found another body & made another Stocker with it. Had a different paint scheme. Then Jack Larsen ran it for a while. For the last couple of years or so, Wayne Larsen has been racing it, out of div 4.

Don't know if he built the 1st one or bought it, already built. So far, the earliest I can spot it on DRC is in 1999.

6/4/99 - Route 66 Nats - #52 - .501 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

6/20/04 - div 3-2 - #28 - Won the race ! :)

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=6994

9/3/04 - US Nats - #98 - 1.068 under - At least 12 Pontiac powered cars on the Q-list !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=2312

9/30/04 - Carquest Nats - #1 - 1.254 under !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=855

10/2/04 - R/U in the Jegs All-Stars race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=651

5/20/05 - Pontiac Perf Nats - #13 - 1.001 under. Cool that a Pontiac was #1 qualifier @ the Pontiac Perf Nats ! 8-) We'll talk a lot about that car.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

9/3/05 - US Nats - #92 - .980 under & won the N/SA class. Pontiacs also won J/SA, O/SA & P/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

9/26/14 - Midwest Nats - Jack Larsen - #31 - .764 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=291900

2/29/20 - div 4-1 - Wayne Larsen - #44 - .873 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

6/19/20 - div 4-4 - #35 - .694 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop
1 - Who's Next #1 .jpg
2 - K. Riley Who's Next #2 .jpg
3 - Larsen '77 .jpg
4 - Jack Larsen - .JPG
5 - Jack Larsen '77  .jpg

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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As far as I know, this car is a one-of-a-kind.

It is a '77 400 powered Catalina. It was also built by Bob Michael.

5/5/18 - div 3-1 - #1 - 1.064 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

5/26/18 - Sports Nats - #29 - .906 under - Won the K/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

It ran good enuff to make the 128 car Stock field, @ the US Nats.

8/31/18 - US Nats - #83 - .990 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

8/30/19 - Us Nats - #107 - .968 under - R/U in L/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

9/22/19 - Jegs Sports Nats - #15 - .933 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... T#indextop

7/19/20 - Jegs Sports Nats - Won L/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop
1 - Bob Michael '77 Cat .jpg
2 - Bob Michael '20 SPORTS nats .jpg

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Before moving on to the '77-'78 Birds, I'll mention the '77 Grand Prix.

It can run the same 180hp 400 engine the Birds can run. At this time, the NHRA hp factor is only 260hp, in all non-Bird bodies.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/EngineSpe ... KE=Pontiac

I figure there have been a few '77 GP Stockers, thru the years. But, I only know of one. Don't know how many different owners it had.

I'll look up & post some results the car had while Don Himes was driving it.

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... A--&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... g--&GI_ID=

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The earliest race where it shows up, on a DRC search is 2003. So that's where I'll start.

3/14/03 - Gators - #51 - .883 under & P/SA class winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=28830

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

4/10/03 - Spring Nats - #47 - .996 under & P/SA class winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=27653

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

4/25/03 - Bristol Thunder Valley Nats - P/SA class winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

5/16/03 - Englishtown Super Nats - #34 - 1.050 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=25893

Lost in E-5, to eventual race winner, Al Vanis. Al was driving a '77 Lemans. Al had won the 1974 US Nats, in a '74 Ventura.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

5/25/03 - div 1-1 - #24 - 1.011 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=25002

6/8/03 - div 1-2 - #19 - 1.078 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=2413

8/29/03 - US Nats - #80 - .990 under & P/SA class winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=18637

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=18622

9/12/03 - Lucas Oil Nats - #53 - 1.026 under

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=17867

10/15/03 - Dutch Classic - #54 - 1.006 under & P/SA class winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=15815

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=15814

Found 1 small pic of the Al Vanis '77 Lemans. When enlarged, it's a little fuzzy. But you can tell what it is.
Al Vanis .jpg
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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Now the GP has a female driver, named Lauren Kanuik.

She ran 12.30's & 12.40's. Best she ran last year was .807 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/se ... =usrSearch
1 - Lauren Kanuik .jpg
2 - '77 GP on Scales .jpg
3 - '19 Dutch  .jpg
4 - Lauren K. 6 -'19 .jpg

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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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OK, it's time to dig into some race results from some of the '77-'78 Birds that have been mentioned.

I've been told that most of the credit for the big hp hits on the '77-'78 Bird 400 engines can probably go to the Don Holmes Bird. So, let's take a closer look at some of the performances that may have caused at least some of those hits.

There are probably LOTS of DRC results that deserve mention. So, I'll divide this into 2 posts. The 1st will be for those races where Don was the driver. The next post will be where Rob was the driver.

9/4/98 - US Nats - #29 - .924 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

9/3/99 - US Nats - #4 - 1.264 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

8/31/00 - US Nats - #2 - 1.269 under - Won K/SA class.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

4/27/02 - div 3-1 - #2 - 1.481 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

5/18/02 - div 3-2 - #2 - 1.320 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

6/23/02 - div 3-3 - #1 - 1.211 under - Won the Race !

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

8/3/02 - div 3-4 - #3 - 1.288 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

8/24/02 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.286 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

9/21/02 - div 3-6 - #2 - 1.288 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

4/26/03 - div 3-1 - #1 - 1.411 under. Kyle Riley won the race, with his '77 Lemans.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

5/17/03 - div 3-2 - #1 - 1.249 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

6/22/03 - div 3-3 - #2 - 1.255 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

8/2/03 - div 3-4 - #2 - 1.274 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

8/23/03 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.320 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

9/20/03 - div 3-6 - #1 - 1.423 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 3#indextop

4/17/04 - div 3-1 - #3 - 1.317 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

7/17/04 - div 3-3 - #1 - 1.253 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

8/7/04 - div 3-4 - #13 - 1.145 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

8/28/04 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.265 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

9/3/04 - US Nats - #13 - 1.195 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

9/25/04 - div 3-6 - #5 - 1.168 under. Paul Dilcher won this race.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

4/16/05 - div 3-1 - #1 - 1.366 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

7/16/05 - div 3-3 - #3 - 1.207 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

8/6/05 - div 3-4 - #2 - 1.152 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

8/27/05 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.280 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

9/2/05 - US Nats - #4 - 1.236 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 5#indextop

4/22/06 - div 3-1 - #5 - 1.233 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

7/1/06 - div 3-2 - #2 - 1.118 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

7/15/06 - div 3-3 - #2 - 1.233 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

8/26/06 - div 3-5 - #1 - 1.227 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

9/1/06 - US Nats - #10 - 1.196 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 6#indextop

As most here know, back in the old days, it was common for drag cars to have a name, which was usually displayed on the doors. The name I've seen on this car is "Kemo Sabe", beginning with pics on Auto Imagery dated from 2002 & 2004.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ke-mo_sah-bee

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... 94-&GI_ID=

https://autoimagery.photoshelter.com/im ... BA-&GI_ID=
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Re: Pontiac V8 Powered Stock Class History

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This post will be for the Holmes Bird, after Robert was the driver listed. I've also seen his name listed as Robbie & Rob. Rob is shorter, so I'll use that.

He shows up on the Indy list in 2009.

9/4/09 - US Nats - #26 - 1.185 under - R/U in I/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStory.asp?ID=190774

9/26/09 - Jegs Northern Sports Nats - #11 - 1.118 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

4/28/12 - div 3-1 - #9 - 1.016 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 2#indextop

9/19/14 - Jegs Northern Sports Nats - #20 - .904 under & class winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 4#indextop

5/26/18 - Jegs Sports Nats - #14 - .966 under & won J/SA.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... T#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 8#indextop

7/7/19 - div 3-3 - #3 - .941 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

8/25/19 - div 3-5 - #2 - .947 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

10/13/19 - Fall Classic - #15 - 1.074 under.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 9#indextop

7/19/20 - Jegs Sports Nats - #26 - .938 under & J/SA winner.

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

https://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCStor ... 0#indextop

Even after all the hp hits, it's still competitive.

Some earlier pics show that Rob didn't have the Kemo Sabe name on the side. But, pics from this season show that the name is on the car again.
1 - Rob Holmes .jpg
2 - Rob @ Indy .jpg
3  - Rob Holmes '20 SPORTS nats .jpg

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