Pontiac Promotional Videos versus the World

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Some Pontiac History to watch :D

1970 Pontiac Engine 455 Manufacturing

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9LuXf6gJ-jg
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Fisher Body and the GM proving grounds.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yYgxgGlN8CM
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A good follow up read: The Engineering Pioneers Behind the Pontiac Engine:

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-12 ... ontiac-v8/
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1970 A body
1970 GTO exhaust cut out commercial. Effecting Dairy Queen cruise in’s for years to come :D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7JNj9sEdPF0
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1970 Lemans...This was made me Yawn :roll:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MJRaPwdrugc

1969 “Break Away!” Commercial. Literal breakaway :lol:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l02-JQrW4vY
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1969 “Break Away with Pontiac”

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=exOj4bIAmOc

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1969 Breakaway with a 69 GTO Judge

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aUSg2WoX2XA
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1969 Firebird Breakaway commercial

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=TSvw5pKzb2E
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If your sensing a theme for 69’. :lol:
1969 “The Pontiac Great Breakaway” Dealer Film. A montage of everything from manufacture, to families with station wagons, the youth at the beach, and of course a GTO flexing it’s muscles at the race track.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JlERoAX5Z_k
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1970 Pontiac Firebird. I thought it was well done. 8-)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v6iZjrt_GKo

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1970 Oldsmobile commercials.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Xw8nlz5bxIs


1968 Oldsmobile commercials. One of them didn’t show a picture of a car. It was still pretty convincing. :lol:



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=znqt9DOFTaY
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Let’s look at some 1970 Buick’s. The Buick girl

Skylark and Skylark GS455

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8cC7wpnWtgY
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1970 Chevelle 396. I liked this one. The owner taking his car out to the desert to test it out but can’t because of the admirer’s. :lol:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=m9LWv-PkFB0
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Very cool vids, thanks for sharing.
78 T/A 4 Speed, mine since '99, Third and final owner as long as I'm alive.

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Glad you liked it! I enjoy looking at this stuff. I have a cousin that spend most of his years as an Engineer at the GM proving grounds in Michigan. The GM proving ground has some interesting old and new video. One has 1950s crash testing and remote control cars. Auto steer using an underground guide wire and magnetic signal. That method of steering is common for agricultural irrigation pivot’s with corner systems. In the video it looked like it about sent the car into a wall.

Back in the mid nineties a my brother and I, plus several of my Engineering classmates rigged up a remote control full size car using a 83 Pontiac Bonneville station wagon. I don’t remember now how many of us were involved. The test (i.e. CRASH) was on our farm. The goal was to guide the car and jump it over a dam at high speed. Gear-head fun after finals. What we did not realize was the Bonneville was really light, and it had a factory posi differential. When ever it went to full throttle on dirt it spun the tires and you never new what direction it was headed next. It is hard enough to control it driving a car, let alone via remote control :lol: We had to chase it down once. It tried to get away. Ah yes...old memories..The GM engineers put a little more thought into their system. The big remote control console with the 50s steering wheel is quite a site.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oXReCon8q0s
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Some data for Firebird production, performance and corresponding commercials through the 33 years of production. I looked for the production by most sold. Top ten fastest firebirds and T/A’s from the factory. Then for entertainment, top ten best Firebird commercials (my opinion :lol: ).

Some of the data was surprising. In the late seventies the Trans Am did not have much competition. By the late 90s and early 2000s the competition was pretty strong. Late 90s into 2002 production hovered around 30k, corporate appeared to have planned to build X amount of cars. I think 70 would have been higher if the tooling problems wouldn’t have caused the later February introduction. 1972 was near the bottom of the list due to labor strikes.

1. 1979. 211453
2. 1978. 187295
3. 1977. 155735
4. 1984. 128304
5. 1982. 116362
6. 1976. 110775
7. 1986. 110463
8. 1980. 107340
9. 1968. 107112
10.1985. 95880
11.1987. 88612
12.1969. 87708
13.1975. 84063
14.1967. 82560
15.1983. 74884
16.1974. 73729
17.1988. 62455
18.1989. 64404
19.1971. 53125
20.1995. 50986
21.1991. 50234
22.1970. 48439
23.1973. 46314
24.1994. 44992
25.1999. 32826
26.1998. 32155
27.1997. 30754
28.2002. 30690
29.1996. 30097
30.1972. 29951
31.2001. 21436
32.1990. 20553
33.1993. 14112

For comparison.
1979 Trans Ams 117108
1979 Camaro production All time record) 282582
1979 Z28 84877
1979 Corvette(All time record) 53807
1979 Mustang 369936

The quickest Firebird is probably the 1968 Firebird 400 Ram AIR 2. They are quick at Pure Stock races. But they are very rare and hard to find old performance data on. The closest I can come is 13.7 @107 on factory tires but it was a Royal Bobcat HO 335hp car. The 1967 Ram Air Firebirds were quick with very small mods, they ran in the low 13 and high 12s fairly easily on slicks. It is common for a pure stock 68 RA2’s these days they run well into the 12s, and even into the 11s. The RA 4 69s and 70s are right behind the RA 2’s in Pure Stock. Pure Stock racing allows for a 1.5 increase in compression over the factory advertise compression rating. Being that most of the high compression engines actually had compression at least .5 to as much as 1 BELOW the advertised rating, the Pure stock competition racers often have a couple points higher compression than one of the factory built engines.

The lower the compression engines like the 455 SD’s and the 455 HO’s are effected a little less by the factory’s variations in specs than the high compression 400s. Small changes in deck height and head cc’s variations have less impact on the compression. Those things effect the compression less because there is more volume in the combustion chamber on TDC, and those changes become a smaller percentage of the swept volume. So while on paper the high compression engines may look like they have a lot more compression (3 points or more). The high compression engines may only be 1.5 higher. In some cases like the 400s that ran 62s and 13 head it can be less that that.

This his how I “think” the E.T.’s are going to fall, going through all the generations. And we will see if I am at all correct.. :geek:

1. 68 RA 2 Firebird 400
2. 69 RA 4
3. 67-68 RA Firebird 400 (d port 744 cam)
4. 70 RA 4
5. 1998-2002 Trans Am LS-1
6. 1987 Trans Am Turbo
7. 1973-74 Trans Am 455 SD
8. 1995 Trans Am LT1
9. 1971-72 Formula and Trans Am 455 HO
10. 67-70 Firebird T/A 400 that ran the 068 cam engines

The first and earliest Firebird road test I found is a 67 Firebird convertible
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I am not sure any magazine did a road test on the 68 RA 2. I found a few others:

1968 Firebird 400 cid 335 hp, t-400 w3.55s that clocked a 14.2@100.2

1970 Trans Am RA4, 4 speed w3.90s that ran a 14.5@99 with 2 people in the car for the test.

Mike Noun compiled a list of vintage Pontiac road tests. Many were dealer prepped cars. But the list reinforces how fast the 67 and 68 d port Firebirds were.

http://www.angelfire.com/on/geebjen/roadtest.html


A 73 Trans Am SD 455 was driven to a 13.76. @ 103.56. Impressive for a 1973 Road Test

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a1 ... st-review/
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I moved the 77 T/A and 84 T/A that was here back further into this thread. I will cover it more later.

Right after the 89 Turbo Trans Am was introduced they started showing up at the race track. We raced against one several times one night down in Kansas City. The same track were you would often see Jim Hand doing testing with his Pontiac powered 71 Lemans wagon. We talked to the guy racing the 89 Turbo T/A. It sounded like it was pretty stock with the exception of a tuner. He was running mid to low 13s at about 105. We had our 69 Dodge Charger there on several different nights with some old radial street tires. Dressed in street trim at that time the Charger would run low 13s @ 108 mph. Against the charger the Turbo Trans Am would take a quick lead off the line then the Charger would run him down. The Turbo Trans Am is a neat car in my opinion, if I could have any of the last couple generations (81-2002) I personally would pick the 89 Turbo Trans Am.

Judging by the mph I suspect the Turbo Trans Am in the following video had the boost set a little low. The quick 0-60 time shows off the torque the boost can produce.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4R7_gGfphWc
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The 1998 to 2002 Trans Ams are quick and are pretty consistently 13 second cars. Writer Rocky Rotella has 2 of them that he has tuned. The blue one is more of a daily driver the other is a Black 2002 he bought new. He is saving that one and keeping it low miles. He has had both on wheel dynos and is well into the low to mid 300s hp range. Very impressive for a stock engine with some tuning.

https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hppp-12 ... e-upgrade/

Here is test by Car and Driver which produced a 13.9 @104 road test. Some others have clocked 13.5@107 when paired up with manual transmissions.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LOiiaOUvpKE
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A little digging and I found these road tests. The 70 RA4, 72 455HO, 73 445 SD, 89 turbo T/A and the 98-02 LS-1 T/A’s are a dead heat. It sometimes comes down to the driver 8-)
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TOP 10 Firebird commercials.

NUMBER 10!!! The 1968 convertible overhead cam Firebird. No voices. All fun. :D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6C_MH8TpkPE
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NUMBER 9 !!! The 1975 Trans Am Cold War Spy commercial. Fun and corny. The radial tuned suspension sports cars versus the POS spy car. :lol:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EoNnW51zmuQ
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NUMBER 8!!! The 1981 Turbo Trans Am. There is no car like it 8-) Short and sweet, turbocharged with boost gauge lights show and tell in the hood. Black is beautiful, Smokey and the Bandit 2 look alike. They did a similar commercial in 80, I thought this one was better:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SCv1sP8pWzA
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NUMBER 7!!! The 1984 Night Rider engineering graphics commercial. Maybe it is the Engineer in me that picked this one. Or the hours and hours of Night Rider viewing when I was 12. :lol:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uw81NAo3M8w
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NUMBER 6! The 1967 Firebird ad, over 2 minutes of putting the Firebird through its paces. Scenic views and some spirited driving. Plus the music gives you the expectation Yeul Brynner is going to jump out and start a gun fight at some point during the commercial. :shock:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sgub-eOkiEA
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